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  Great Crowd Started Forming in the 20th Century

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. bible

  does anyone have wts quotations showing that the call of the great crowd did not begin before the 20th century?.

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  Sea Breeze

  Look forward to seeing the final list!
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  Going To The Meetings To Give A Witness

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  e tricki've been tossing around the idea of perhaps going to a meeting in the future just to check things out i'm in no hurry this could happen months or years from now.

  i would like to give them a witness about some of the problems i see as a newly interested person checking things out.

  maybe just hanging back after coming to the meeting late and casually talking with people as a non pushy interested in what going on after some internet search led me to jw.org.

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  Sea Breeze

  Maybe you can ask them about these two similarities with the Pharisees:

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  John 9: 22 These words spoke his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

  The bible tells us to confess Jesus as LORD... But, the watchtower society says we are to come to them for salvation.. They are just like the jews, the jews put people out of the synagogue for confessing Jesus as LORD, and the watchtower society disfellowships those that call upon Jesus and confess him alone as LORD..

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  Do not listen to false teachers.. Who are like the Pharisees, the bible says they close the way to heaven so people cannot get there.. - Matthew 23:13

  But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

  Ask why they claim that since the early 20th century, the way to heaven has been closed?
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  Big Bad Burly Brothers who like to corner you

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in my local congregation w-a-a-y back in the 60's, there was a brother who was an uber-witness.. brother h. t. jones, as i recall.

  stolid.

  impassive.

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  Sea Breeze

  Gripping read. Your girlfriend got kidnapped for real?
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  My Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain Moment...

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is my first post.

  i am physically in and mentally out.

  well i will not be offering a tl/dr version as that would be too difficult and it would also be an oversimplification of how i got to see the man behind the curtain.. my story begins at the 2016 regional convention of jehovah's witnesses.

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  Sea Breeze

  Enjoyed your post immensely. I couldn't leave quietly, I tried. Eventually I had to take a stand. I owed that to myself. No regrets.
  
  When the Watchtower sinks, I'll be somewhat vindicated. Look forward to futures posts.
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  Do old time present day active JW`s genuinely believe in overlapping generations ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for the life of me i can not come to terms with old timers in the "truth" who could swallow this interpretation of scripture about an overlapping generation .. when jesus spoke about "this generation" .

  are their any real bible students among younger ones any more ?.

  here are 3 bible scriptures that confirm a generation is approximately 40- 50 years long give or take a few years .. 1. matt:1 :17 abraham born 2016-18 bc jesus born 2 bc approx.

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  Sea Breeze

  Hi Rattigan,

  Then for centuries the truth got contaminated and diluted. But JWs had the intent of seeking that truth of Jesus. No one else has tried or done that.

  That just doesn't match up with reality. All cults claim that everybody else has it wrong and they are the only ones to restore , the truth, true worship, etc.

  The early congregation elders who were the 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation disciples of the apostles wrote a lot of stuff to each other. They wrote about the trouble makers and their crazy ideas and how they handled it. They named names and false teachings. So, it is pretty easy to find out who the heretics were, what they taught, and what their thoughts were on the matter.
  
  I recommend this book; pretty easy to read.

  Jehovah's Witnesses do not seek the truth of Jesus. Even though Jesus was appointed as Mediator between God and Men, the Watchtower clergy inserts themselves in between man and Christ.
  
  This was a teaching completely unknown to the apostles. And, according to them, they must be cursed for teaching such a new thing:

  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. - Galatians 1: 8, 9

  
  

  JW's teach their version of the Good News (Gospel) of the Kingdom. But they ignore the Good News of Jesus' Salvation from Judgment and inheritance of immortal life for the average member.

  New Testament occurrences of the term Gospel of _______ .
  	Gospel of Jesus Christ (or Christ ) – 12 times
  	Gospel of God – 7 times
  	Gospel of the kingdom – 4 times
  	Gospel of peace – 2 times
  	Gospel of the grace of God – 1 time
  	Gospel of your salvation – 1 time
  	Gospel of the uncircumcision – 1 time
  	Gospel of the circumcision – 1 time
  	Gospel of his Son – 1 time As you can see, the Good News of Jesus , God, Salvation, Peace etc. is mentioned six times more often than the "good news of the kingdom".

  Yet, the Watchtower focuses their entire message on the “good news of the kingdom”. Of course the “kingdom”, as explained by the Watchtower is really just another name for themselves (the visible part therof) in their way of thinking. It is repeated so often in Jehovah’s Witness circles that many will go to the extent and say that the bible is a book of government….. which they are quick to point out refers to their own ecclesiastical authority in modern times.

  Finally, JW's ignore the fact stated in Phil 2: 9

  "God ... gave him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth"
  

  The highest name in the Universe is not Jehovah, but Jesus. JW's don't like that. But, that has been foundational Christian doctrine from the times of the apostles.

  Jehovah's Witnesses are among the worst heretics that Christianity has ever witnessed. Jesus only got angered at religious people when on earth. Religious people should think deeply about the implications of that.

  Hope this helps.
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  Do old time present day active JW`s genuinely believe in overlapping generations ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for the life of me i can not come to terms with old timers in the "truth" who could swallow this interpretation of scripture about an overlapping generation .. when jesus spoke about "this generation" .

  are their any real bible students among younger ones any more ?.

  here are 3 bible scriptures that confirm a generation is approximately 40- 50 years long give or take a few years .. 1. matt:1 :17 abraham born 2016-18 bc jesus born 2 bc approx.

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  Sea Breeze

  Yes.... and no. It's called cognitive dissonance.

  JW's start with a belief paradigm. This is their worldview, their lens by which they interpret all data they experience:

  1. They alone have the truth

  2. Their experts have it all figured out

  3. Jesus already returned invisibly

  4. The church age (Gentile Times) has already ended; and with that so has the offer for immortality by faith alone. Now, everyone has to work for it by accepting the framework worked out by the F&DS asks.
  
  This is their worldview that they would have to give up if they admit that the Generation Doctrine is nonsense. It is just psychologically too much to ask for many of them. The idea that they might have to live with Baptists, Methodists and bible believing Catholics forever is beyond their ability to accept. They don't want it under those circumstances.
  
  This is not just a small doctrine at stake here. This is a worldview which has their identity intertwined in it. Change it, and they would have to contemplate a whole new identity.

  I have noticed a similar phenomenon in the secular world that denies special creation. The now common discovery of soft dinosaur tissue, blood vessels, blood cells and proteins going back as far as the Juriassic Periond 145 million years ago, should have proved that the long ages attributed to these animals are extremely unlikely, if not impossible. It creates for Creation Deniers their very own Generation Doctrine.

  People's identities are tied up with the worldview they have adopted, making it very resistant to change.
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  Need a recording of Top Shelf Tony speaking on respecting the conscious of othersthers.

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i want to make a youtube video using the liquor store footage and tony speaking on the importance of respecting the conscious of others.

  lemme know.

  we can't say he's getting drunk but he sure didn't consider the way others would view his actions.

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  Sea Breeze

  I think that the best video for this latest fiasco would be one contrasting the WT video of the girl giving up her ice cream so she could donate to the WT, with an image of Tony with a basket full of a thousand dollars worth of whiskey on a Sunday morning.
  
  That could be powerful and devastating optics.
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  Suicide; and Jehovahs Witnesses

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as one who has been personally affected by suicide i read just now of a posting here today the tragic note being "my bridesmaid hanged herself" which we gather she had been shunned... well over the past many months we have seen a library of information, which continues to grow, on the sex abuse saga and most recently the revelations with a myriad of escape clauses a new 'policy' pulled like teeth from the wt on that matter.

  this piece of prose is made available to any jw who requests it so the wt says.

  it is well revealed out of the carc that the % of abuse in the wt world is higher than outside it.. this brings me to the matter of suicide.. .

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  Sea Breeze

  The April 2014 Awake is on Suicide:

  Here's some of that wisdom:

  According to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, “studies have consistently found that the overwhelming majority of people who die by suicide—90% or more—had a mental disorder at the time of their deaths. Often, however, these disorders had not been recognized, diagnosed, or adequately treated”

  Duh. Then the have the nerve to say this:
  

  "People who care. Your life matters to others—including your family members or friends who may already have expressed concern for you."

  It never occurs to the Watchtower that they themselves are probably one of the greatest causes of suicides (including the slow kind with drugs and alcohol) when they order a family hit job on those that dare to question their authority.

  They offer a simple solution to the problem: All you have to do is accept their lies and keep your mouth shut to have family and friends.

  For some, life is not worth living under that circumstance or without family connections. They take their own life. The stress is too great. Reminds me of the sad tale of the two brothers that took their own life (separately) related at the end of the Leah Lemini show on JW's that was recently aired....heart wrentching. I'm sure their toxic parents weren't even fazed..... probably figured they were better off.
  
  This is a very dangerous cult, and a real menace to society.
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  This Guy is Funny

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0hmdgjbzdw .

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0HMDgjbzdw
  
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  To Rank & File JW's:

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  web site, it says this: on the night before he died, jesus told his followers to commemorate his death.

  he said: “keep doing this in remembrance of me.” - luke 22:19. according to the wtbts/jw's, jesus had two distinct groups of followers with entirely different "hopes" – the “little flock” and the “other sheep.” .

  exactly which group was instructed to commemorate his death by re-enacting the eating & drinking of the bread and wine - and to “keep doing it?” .

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  Sea Breeze

  The apostles made it clear that the Christian message COULD NOT be altered in any way after they were gone. This totally obliterates the trumped up WT doctrine of "New Light"

  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

  9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. - Galatians 1: 8,9

  Rejecting the Bread and Wine (and hence rejecting the new covenant) IS A DIFFERENT GOSPEL.